Posted by Pete Anderson on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 9:38PM :
In Reply to: SORRY ! Posted some incorrect info posted by RDavis on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 9:24PM :
Just checked into the forum, and noticed your post about my site. My hopped up 230 is for my '50 plymouth sedan, but most if not all of the speed parts are applicable to the Power Wagon trucks.
Here's a complete list of the suppliers for the engine, just for clarification. Looks like the price of the head has gone up quite a bit since I bought mine 3 years ago!
Original 1950 218 block, bored .030" over.
Converted 218 to a 230 cu in engine with NOS 230 crank, rods, and flywheel (for a total of 235 cu in with overbore) from Vintage Power Wagons, http://www.vintagepowerwagons.com
The 218 and 230 engines are the same aside from the crank, rods, and flywheel (the stroke is a tad longer on the 230).
All of the stock rebuild parts (fuel pump, oil pump, pistons, rings, seal kits, bearings, stainless exhaust valves, intake valves, valve springs, etc.) came from Vintage Power Wagons too. Ask for Steve, he owns the place, and is VERY helpful and willing to advise. I've called him many a time when I got stuck building my engine. He has mechanics on staff that build hundreds of these engines for the powerwagon crowd, and they've seen it all. Or at least they've seen it all done stock, they were amazed when they saw my engine .
Finned aluminum head (9 to 1 compression on 230 with stock pistons) from Earl Edgerton of http://www.visionquestwebdesign.com/edgycams/ Very pricey at $675. $300 deposit and 12-16 weeks for delivery. The vintage heads are often not worth using and wind up costing as much once you pay through the nose on epay and have it repaired.
Head studs, nuts and Washers are from ARP, http://www.arp-bolts.com. These are the industry's best, and with the aluminum head, I didn't want to take any chances. These are a component part, usually offered in a kit sold through retailers like Summit. But the regular kits don't have enough for the flatty in one kit, and two kits are more $ than buying direct from ARP. Call 800.826.3045 and ask for Kami. The component part number for the stud is: AP3.750-1LB, these are 7/16-14x3.75" long. At the time I bought them, they were $4.90 for one stud, nut, and washer. Multiply by 21 and you've spent $102.90. Or, you can get a set of NOS original head bolts from Andy Bernbaum for about $40 less.... Some say Chevy 350 head bolts are the same, for about a third the price, but I couldn't figure out WHICH chevy 350 head bolts match, as there are several different ones, depending on the year. And, the schmo behind the counter only knows part numbers....
Vintage Edmunds dual water heated intake found on Ebay, $180. Langdon sells the still in production Offenhauser version (several types, not water heated). Also look for vintage Fenton, Tattersfield, and Sharp. May be others as well that I don't know of.
3/4 cam (I think... not really sure what I ended up with on the grind, had it done locally and regret it. It does run great though, and has a nice lope to it at idle. Send yours to Earl Edgerton at http://www.visionquestwebdesign.com/edgycams/ He has several grinds from mild to wild.
Holley 5200 progressive carbs, linkage, aircleaner base plates, and Mini HEI distributor from Langdon's Stovebolt 6, http://www.stoveboltengineco.com/index2.htm. Tom Langdon is a very knowledgable engine guy, and is very happy to offer advice. Most of the mopar flathead stuff he sells isn't listed on his website, so give him a call. He is also now selling cast fenton style headers for the 218/230 block, in the $300 range. He just recieved the prototype, so they may not be quite ready to ship.
Tube headers from Langdon's Stovebolt 6 (with mounting nuts and pipe flanges), coated by HPC Performance Coatings, http://www.hpcoatings.com
Finned aluminum air cleaner cover and finned coil cover from O'brien Truckers, http://www.obrientruckers.com (I bought this stuff through http://www.rodncustom.com, but I think it's better to buy direct from Dennis O'Brien. Dennis is also making a killer Hildebrandt oil filter re-pop that uses a spin on filter inside).
Remote Oil Filter by Flatattack Racing Products, http://www.flatattackracing.com
Mopar 12v Alternator, clear red plug wires, and Runtz voltage reducer for gas guage from Speedway Motors, http://www.speedwaymotors.com
Rajah plug wire tips from http://www.brillman.com (not sure yet if these are going to work with the HEI....)
Motor mounts and all brake parts came from http://www.kantor.com. They sell stock engine rebuild kits too, but the price is about the same as VPW's, and you can't mix and match parts like VPW.
Idaho Transmission Warehouse was able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and round up parts for my transmission from a handfull of different states, and had parts numbers on hand for stuff I've never even heard of. 800.225.6568 Ask for Rebecca, #8.
Another link for speed parts is http://www.phillipsperformance.com, they are back in production with heads, cast exhaust, tappet covers, etc. I tried to get ahold of these guys for over a year, to no avail. Apparently they shut down about that time. They make some cool stuff...
George Asche, an old timer in PA, is fab'g dual intake and exhaust manifolds from the stock parts. I haven't talked to George, but I understand he is a wealth of info on these flathead engines. He builds engines, rebuilds and sells overdrive trannys too. He doesn't use e-mail or the internet, so you'd have to call. Here's his contact info:
Asche Mechanic Distributors
George Asche
1693 Fertigs Road
Venus, Pennsylvania 16364
(814) 354-2621
These engines have hardened valve seats from the factory, so you can burn unleaded fuel without worry. I installed stainless exhaust valves during my rebuild, as an added measure of safety for higher rpms, but you shouldn't have any problems with a stock engine on regular unleaded pump gas.
Also, here's a clip of the maiden voyage around the block with my kids, open headers. You may have seen already, I've posted it on most of the mopar six forums I visit. Right after my wifes comment about the brakes, you can hear a nice lope from the cam...
http://www.andersonarc.com/jeep/firstride1.mov
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